Two Umno leaders have predicted that more than 100,000 Malays will turn up for the Sept 16 gathering to counter Bersih 4.

However, both Federal Territory Umno Youth chief Mohd Razlan Rafii and Sungai Besar Umno division chief Jamal Mohd Yunos were unable to provide a clear answer as to who is organising the event, dubbed as the 'red shirts' rally.