“If they know a new government is being formed, with Umno in, ‘why don’t you (Umno MPs) join in now, why don’t you join us now, rather than you join later?’

“I think if we did that, a majority will leave Umno (with just) 10-20 (MPs), with just Najib (Abdul Razak) and his people (left behind).

“Especially...